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It's going to be 75 today.

It's the middle of October.

What the fuck? Damn global warming.

Date: 2003-10-21 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pelicanzed.livejournal.com
Fear not, it's going to snow here tomorrow! (For the record, the north of England usually gets no snow at all, and if it does, it's only in January.)

Date: 2003-10-21 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strebor.livejournal.com
It was well over 80 today at school...I wish it was 75. It gets the hottest here in September-October.

Date: 2003-10-21 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aprilbegins.livejournal.com
It's most likely not global warming.. from what I understand in Geography, global warming doesn't even exist; progressive changes are referred to as climate change, and that includes areas which become colder. Anyway, maybe you were kidding, so moving on.. after looking at a map showing pressure areas today in Geography and just mentioning to Becca that the Northwest was an area of low pressure I'm disappointed to see that it's hot where you are, heh.

And now to continue my tragic French short story..

Date: 2003-10-21 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] some-stars.livejournal.com
uh...not to get all rabid or anything...but that's not true. Cycles of climate change happen, and recent thinking is that weather changes occur suddenly, but "sudden" geologically--weather changes as dramatic as the last hundred years, and the last twenty in particular, are way out of the ordinary. Your geography teacher needs to be whacked across the head with something large and heavy for buying into the propaganda.

Date: 2003-10-21 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aprilbegins.livejournal.com
Oh I didn't mean to imply that climate change does not happen; I must have worded it wrong. As for sudden changes recently, I'm not educated enough to contest whether or not they're all faults of humans. I doubt that my teacher is trying to sell us propaganda; I'm just not a good conduit of what he's taught us and what was in the video on climate change in the first lab and so on.

Date: 2003-10-21 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sonatine.livejournal.com
There are such things as climate changes, but a progressively higher average temperature in many places all over the world, coupled with a shrinking ozone layer does equal global warming. Anybody who says different is probably a lackey of the Bush administration.

You know, for a geographer, that was an incredibly dumb thing to say. No offense to him/her.

Date: 2003-10-21 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aprilbegins.livejournal.com
Yeah but what about progressively colder temperatures in places as well? http://www.umac.org/climate/climate.html Scroll to 'regional temperature patterns.' And as it says here (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031006.html), CFC recalls seem to be making a difference (though one can still apparently get products with the chemical on the black market in countries that agreed to the Montreal Protocol)

And I said that I understood that it didn't exist, not that my teacher directly said that it doesn't.. I don't have a strong enough memory to say exactly what he did.

Date: 2003-10-21 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] some-stars.livejournal.com
actually, the phenomenon of "global warming" can cause sudden drops in temperature. Many scientists think that humans may prematurely bring about an ice age. It's like...I have only a vague grasp on the mechanics, so I can't explain it too well, but:

The basic idea of global warming is that people are releasing too much CO2 into the atmosphere(through burning fossil fuels, which contained previously-bound CO2). So this has an initial heating effect--I do not understand exactly why, but I did at one time!--but that effect will shut down one of the major ocean currents.

The ocean currents play a HUGE role in regulating the earth's atmosphere, and the one that's in imminent danger of being shut down--somewhere in the North Sea, I believe--would freeze up Europe, and the more polar ice is on the earth, the colder the earth gets (b/c more and more heat is reflected rather than absorbed) and the more polar ice forms and...around and around.

did that make any sense at all?

Date: 2003-10-21 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aprilbegins.livejournal.com
Yes I've heard about the huge danger of a gyre (that's what you're referring to I think) freezing up, which made me wonder just how easy it is to bring on an ice age.. I know if a lot of volcanoes erupted at once, that would..

Date: 2003-10-21 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aprilbegins.livejournal.com
In regards to your first comment in this thread, I just found this article incidentally doing research for a story I'm working on for French class:

here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/06/nclim06.xml)

Doesn't get much more exciting that discussions over climate change, eh?

Date: 2003-10-21 03:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] safti
I don't know how or why, but it was 75 up here today also . . .

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